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51 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:03 pm

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The same thing (in regards to smoking) happened to one of my friends. She had quit, cold turkey for a couple of months not really realizing how great she felt because the changes come so gradually. Well she sadly started smoking again and whammo - felt like crap again. Still hasn't motivated her to quit again, but I'm working on her!

52 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:30 pm

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T - I actually read something similar to your post regarding birth control in a Reader's Digest magazine probably over 10 years ago. It basically stated that having 12 periods a year is both unhealthy & unnatural. Are you on Seasonale or just skip the 'week off'? I'm thinking at my next appt to switch to Seasonale and don't know of anyone that's started it yet.

I'm on Alesse, I like the low dose, and it has the least breakthrough bleeding and you don't have to take it at the exact same time each day, (which was always the hardest thing for me) you can actually miss your window by more than a few hours. Because it's not triphasic, it's a good one to use continuously. There is also a new one called Yaz, which only has a four day break, so there's less hormonal inbalance than with a 7 day switch, so less PMS, or PMDD if you get psycho. No inbalance at all if you don't stop taking it, so no mood swings, cramps bloating etc. If I were switching now, I would go with the Seasonale, but only because I like the packaging. When they stop sampling Alesse, I will switch. (the drug cupboard is my benefit plan at work, if it's sampled, I don't pay.) Right now I take 3 months straight, 4 days off. But could do 4 months 4 days, but I only take 3 packs home at a time, so often stop just because I don't have another pack. You can also take it non-stop, and if you have heavy periods, and anemia, it's often prescribed that way.


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53 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:40 pm

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Geez I never had these options...to heck with getting pregnant, since I can't, I would just love not to have the mood swings and periods!!

54 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:40 pm

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I'm on the Alesse too, and I'm glad to hear that it's ok to take it straight through, because I've done it a few times if I have a vacation or something coming up during that week off. The only issue I have is that if I do it more than once in one 3 month course, my insurance provider only lets me buy one more month instead of the 3, because I supposedly shouldn't need another pack yet. It's slightly annoying.

55 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:42 pm

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And Insurance covers it too??? My God the world has changed!! Do women have rights as well?? lol

56 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:10 pm

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I find all of your stories fascinating, and am so glad we're sharing about our own health too! Looks like we've got so much we can learn from each other beyond dogs! :D

JeanJean - I'm curious, when you say you gave up grains, does that also include rice? I know that wheat and gluten definitely affect my joints, but as you said, they also give cravings for more. If I don't eat it, I don't crave it, but as soon as I start, I can't stop!

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57 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:37 pm

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Lynne, your insurance only pays for it that way because your doctor didn't order it for continuous use. If they put on the prescription Alesse21 x15 pks your insurance company should pay for it then, at least they do here. Your doctor may have to spell out Alesse21 x15 pks take continuously. But really shouldn't need to.


I've been reading a lot about the Hunter-Gatherer diet. We are descended from cave men, and evolved eating primarily raw foods, and lots of proteins. We evolved getting a major portion of our nutrients from meat. Look at the fossil record, kill sites, patterns on teeth and mineral content in bones. We were designed to eat large amounts of animal protein, some vegetables, and occassionaly fruits and nuts.

Even if we do this today, we still aren't getting it right though. The main problem is that in our post Monsanto/GMO world most of our food is very depleted in nutrition, so even if we eat the right balance, it's still not good. It's still really important to choose organic, free range, unprocessed foods so that we get the best nutrition. For example, a free range egg compared to a grocery store egg contains 1/3 less cholesterol, 1/4 less saturated fat, 2/3 more vitamin A, two times more omega-3 fatty acids, three times more vitamin E, seven times more beta carotene, and as much as six times more vitamin D!

Wish I had a chicken coop!


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58 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:56 pm

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Yes, and it's funny how the things that are healthier for us are MORE expensive! :shock:

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59 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:57 am

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di wrote:...
JeanJean - I'm curious, when you say you gave up grains, does that also include rice? I know that wheat and gluten definitely affect my joints, but as you said, they also give cravings for more. If I don't eat it, I don't crave it, but as soon as I start, I can't stop!

Yes, rice is a grain. You can distinguish grains because you can't eat them as they grow, they aren't digestible. You might as well eat saw dust when it comes to nutrition or benefit (except they do taste so good to us) because our bodies really weren't built to take them. I have no idea why something our bodies don't want can cause some of us to crave them so badly though. I know a few people who swear they could easily give up anything but not their grains so needed or not, we do have a taste for them.

I also had to give up pretty much all underground veggies (roots are sugar), anything corn or from corn (sugar again and doesn't digest anyway so basically candy in veggie form, a few of the beans/peas, and most fruit except the berries. Besides those and one I still miss over all else, skim milk. I love skim milk but being low fat it is high in sugar (lactose) so I am allowed to have whipping cream instead (which is a bonus in decaf coffee but I'm not much of a fan and can't just drink it like the doctor suggested I do). I swear I thought he was nuts to have me use that stuff, but my cholesterol numbers actually went back to normal too when I stopped the sugars and went full fats so it was benefits all around just going back to what nature intended). Grains, starches, sugars all are seen as sugar by our body and therefore as toxic especially in the amounts we usually eat. My style was cramped royally trying to avoid grain and starch nevermind sugars in all forms but it can be done. If I eat a little potato or a piece of bread or eat a yummy orange, it all crashes for me and I have cravings for it all again and the pains return within hours.

What is stunning is reading labels and discovering just how many things are full of sugars and starches either naturally or in the case of most canned or processed foods, added directly. In most cases it's a or form like corn syrup or corn starch or corn anything as well as other ingredientss which all end in 'ose'. Boxes of salt even have added sugar because it's considered a preservative. I even checked the local deli dept (they have books giving the nutritional info on their products) and only two of all the meats they sold didn't have added sugar. If it wasn't store baked chicken or turkey, it had sugar added. If it's something like a sausage form it's full of grain as well half the time Basically it means whole foods only and steering clear of the bakery and pasta isles to control it but it is worth it if you find it helps chronic pain or other health problems. Our diet/food really has been bastardized as much as our dogs kibble when it comes down to it and we suffer as much from the junk we eat as they do when they eat standard dog food.

For some people who have particular types of arthritc pain they even need to get off acidic things like tomato, rhubarb, citrus. So it does pay to test foods and see how your body reacts if pain can be relieved. Beats filling up on pills and risking liver or some other damage from the drugs.

60 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:19 am

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WOW, this is such a great thread, and it's wonderful to read about everyone sharing.
I had some bad news yesterday at my doctor's ... I have endometriosis and have been going through treatment effort after treatment effort for the last 6 years ... first the depo nightmare, then one year of au naturel ... (bigger nightmare ... did anyone know that they can have a menstrual cycle for 3 months straight?) then onto a different b/c pill for 2 years ... then another year of au naturel to cleanse my system of that (and another nightmare of a ONE-YEAR menstrual cycle ... what's up with that??) ... and finally my IUD. For some reason my body is making cysts and my specialists are a tad confused as to why this is happening.
Last week I had another ultrasound and found out that I have more cysts ... yesterday my gynecologist told me we were going to try a new treatment (WE???? I don't see her going through any of these) ... FOOD ...
Starting Monday (b/c I told her I wasn't throwing out any of my food) I can't eat any sugar, flour, starch or dairy products for a month. Then I go back in for another ultrasound and see if the cysts have grown ... if they have then we know that one of these four might be the problem ... then I would narrow it down from there ... if it's not, then we try other foods ... She said the next month would be meat ... LOL ... piece of cake, bring it on!!!
OK, I'm not a major fan of food ... I don't really crave food, I don't eat junk food, I don't have favourite foods, etc. I eat basically b/c I get hungry and while I eat as healthy as possible I started eating like this b/c of my animals.
Then I saw the list of foods / drinks I can't have for a month ... The one that hit me the most ...
UMM coffee??? Oh, you can have coffee but no milk / cream or sugar ... so my 2-3 x-large double doubles a day are out??? Yes, dear. Or, you can drink it black ... but keep in mind, caffeine is on the list of things to avoid for the second month. (Good lord, I hope it's sugar that's the cause of all my problems, I can at least use Stevia all the time!)
So the upside, I might lose the last 15 pounds I never lost from all those horrid depo shots, (that would be cool, just before summer!) ... the bad news, with my luck (and it ain't always good ...) it'll be 11.5 months before we find out what the problem is ... or it won't be food related ...
Anyone else hear about this? Have any news about this?
Marion

61 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:58 am

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Well Marion I head off for my Colposcopy today to see if my little "might or might not be Cancer" is growing...yeah! I dont understand why they dont have a female Dr. for that exam. I can tell you I really don't like going to men for these. scratchhead



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62 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:22 am

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Marion, I don't know about the issues that you have specifically, but it reminds me of something my friend went through. She also had endometriosis, along with another condition, I can't remember the name of it but it's similar, but not similar to diabetes. I think it's hypoglycemic? Anyway, she has to be really careful about what she eats, and can control her insulin levels that way, along with some medication. I have no idea if the two conditions are related, but anyway, that's what it reminded me of. Oh, and the 3 month period thing? Well, I was on this acne medication when I was younger, called Accutane. It's very strong and really works your body over. I was on the pill during it (I was like, 15) because it was a requirement by the doctor, if you accidentally get pregnant while on it, your baby will most likely be born with birth defects. Anyway, when I finished the course of Accutane, I had my period 3 times in one month. It was quite weird, and more than a little disconcerting when you're young, but there are tons of things that can throw off your cycle. I gained about 40 lbs when on depo by the way, but I think it was partially because my cravings were super strong, and there was a period of time where I was living with a bunch of guys, and they didn't eat well, so of course neither did I. I haven't been to Wendy's too much since then :)

63 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:59 am

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I've been on Yazmin (which from what i've read is basically the same as Yaz) and love it - but I do take 2 packs and then break, but I'm going to start taking it longer. And yes, Abbysmom I did know you could have your period for 3 months at a time... That was my main problem with Depo when I first started it. My doctor's solution? I was ALSO prescribed the pill for the first month after I got the shot. No wonder I was a psycho! Hello too many hormones and I was too young to even really realize that I was taking WAY too many hormones at 21.

64 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:01 am

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Ok I hate ultrasounds and having to drink 4 cups of water. I guess we could consider this a good kidney/ bladder flush eh?

65 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:02 am

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wen wrote:Well Marion I head off for my Colopscopy today to see if my little "might or might not be Cancer" is growing...yeah! I dont understand why they dont have a female Dr. for that exam. I can tell you I really don't like going to men for these. scratchhead

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I'll be thinking of you while you have your colonoscopy today. HUGS!

66 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:10 am

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My holistic nutritionist believes that many "unbalances" with the body can be solved with food. I have had painful periods lately, and it could be because my hormones are out of balance. So she had me eat different oils at different times of the month - flax oil and fish oil for the first 15 days of a cycle, and hemp oil and evening primrose oil for the last 15 days. And it worked! The oils help with hormone production, and I did notice a difference the first month. Sad to say, though, that I didn't keep up with it regularly enough.

And I felt the same way about caffeine! I needed it every day, but I actually gave up coffee in January, because of the way it would make me feel. Once I gave it up, no more afternoon crashes, no more crawling out of bed like I wanted to die. So, if you can do it, it's worth it!

And a positive note about the detox - today people at work commented that I've lost weight (well, I can feel that as my pants are looser) and that my face is glowing! Plus, today I'm actually feeling clearer, so things are starting to be eliminated.

1/3 of the way there...only 2 more weeks to go! Anyone going to the seminar will get to see my lovely routine of drinking greens + and berry drinks! :mrgreen:

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67 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:02 pm

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Di ... your willpower is great!
Wen ... i'm crossing my fingers for you ...
Lynne ... not sure if there is anything else, I'm guessing we'll figure it out in the next couple of months or something ...
I might end up giving up coffee altogether if I can only drink 1 medium with NO MILK OR SUGAR (GROSSSSS) ... it certainly wouldn't hurt ... now if I could only quit smoking LOL ... I'm not even going to go there ... as much as I know it's not good for me, there are some things in life I am just not willing to think about quitting right now ... at least I've cut my intake down by 75% ... that's my rationalization ... and since I never drink, and heck I'm going to be the healthiest eater on the planet soon, I'm going to enjoy just ONE vice!

Thanks for the responses, it's nice to hear that you're not the only one going through all this female crap!


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68 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:26 pm

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Abbysmom, My mom drinks a medium coffee, well 2 a day with 2 cream. She is addicted to tim hortons and if she doesnt have one by 10 o clock in the morning she gets a migrane.. it would be a good thing to get away from.

I used to be like that with coke/pepsi when i was going to college, after having aaden i cant even barely drink a mini can of pepsi so that ended that real fast. but now am addicted to orange pop and chocolate milk. I guess its a bit better then pepsi tho.

69 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:33 pm

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All I can say is.....Yahoo for "menopause"!!!! :cheers:

70 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:42 pm

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Well gals...I'm home..They are doing further tests on my "unusual cells" in my uterus. They took a sample again today, geez they tell you to relax while they cut a piece out of you, yeah right. Anyway, I am getting an Ultrasound and they are doing blood tests ( during my period) for my hormone levels. He said we might try a D&C or depending on the results I'll have a hysterectomy. It's nerve wracking waiting for the results...plus I am menopausal. Lovely.
Men have it easier. I'd rather a colonoscopy any time...
I need a drink but can't because of medication...damn...
I'm making myself a coffee. I went without for years and spent most of my days in a fog. Now I have my coffee or I'll not be able to even form a good sentence .

71 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:48 pm

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Wow wen - hope everything is ok. My mom had endometriosis, and ultimately a hysterectomy - not an easy thing. Her mom and sister also had hysterectomies, so there is a history in my family. My sister has endometriosis, but I have escaped it so far.

Ha men - don't even get me started! :D

So I say have your coffee and enjoy!

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72 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:01 pm

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I have heard of this with endo and PSOCs or whatever it's called. They are finding food does make a difference for some people. Often it is the sugar and starches so you will have to be very careful when looking at ingredient labels if you want to be sure about getting them out of your system (allow an extra hour and take a magnifying glass to the grocery store for that exercise). So look for grains that they sneak into things as coatings or fillers. It's really stunning when you see it in things you never suspected like low fat dairy products or meats.

As for that caffeine. If you are used to having a lot of it every day you may want to ween off vs going cold turkey. The easiest way is to just mix decaf and regular and keep changing the ratio to more and more decaf until you are caffeine free. If you go cold turkey you could end up with some very bad headaches while weening can be relatively painless and takes about a week. I wonder if you can use 'non dairy creamer' instead of milk/cream if you are avoiding dairy. It's made of "edible petroleum product" and has no dairy in it so you'd figure it isn't digestible. It's usually the stuff that comes in those little 'creamers' they give you at coffee shops or products like coffee mate. It's not natural but it's not dairy so maybe a fair trade. If it doesn't say 'cream' on the container then it's 'edible petroleum biproduct' usually (same with cheese, especially slices. There is a reason that stuff never gets mold on it). Caffeine on it's own is known to cause cysts particularly in breasts so it may not be a stretch to think they cause them in other places too. Also sugars (which includes starches) are known to feed things like tumours so again, cysts wouldn't be a stretch in my mind.

My mom had very bad problems all her life with things like this and really used to recommend hysterectomies. She said the one she had saved her life and sanity so they can be a blessing to some conditions.

As for smoking. I'm glad I am not the only one with an 'attitude'. My doctor was after me and I had to tell him it was the only vice left to me after no caffiene, no sugars, no starches, no fun fruits, no booze, no fun at all as I see it so he could forget the stopping smoking until they came up with a way that wasn't going to cause me more stress than I already have.

BTW, just the other day they had a doctor (ND I think) on TV talking about her new book (just released a couple of weeks ago). It's called the Hormone Diet and is about balancing your hormones through diet. Even Chrisinte Northrope posted it was good so I think that is a good sign. I priced it out and although Chapters has it in stock in the stores, it's cheaper to go through amazon.ca right now than either the Chapters site or store (their site is a better price even with shipping than the store). [Only admins are allowed to see this link]

73 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:43 pm

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Since we are talking about food I thought you guys might be interested in this link.

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This documentary is coming out in June
The name of the documentary is Food Inc. if the link doesn't work for you.
looks interesting...

74 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:55 pm

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Wen,
I had laser ablation done on my uterus in 2006 because of painful cycles. I had an ultrasound done today and they have found endometriosis and fibroids. I see the specialist on Thursday next week to discuss the next course of action. If need be they will do a partial hysterectomy on me. From looking at my ultrasound today it just proves I made the right choice in 1996 to get fixed, and not have children.

You are in my thoughts while you go for all your tests.

75 Re: Human (not dog) related detox on Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:04 pm

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You are as well. All these problems. I had a real hard time having kids in the first place. I was told I would never be able to carry them. I had a few miscarriages but I do have my 3 wonderful kids. I wouldn't give them up for anything. I know it's not an easy choice to decide not to have them and I have many friends who have chosen that direction.
I think it is still easier if a man never has children but not as easy for women. I may be wrong there it's just my experience talking. There seems to be less of a social stigmatization let's say.
Anyway. take care..let me know how it's going.

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